Coleman Family History
Genealogy is ... a "Breeze"
I wanted to find out more about Rose and Maria Breeze, so I posted a query on
Genes Reunited, asking for a look-up on the 1861 Norfolk or Cambridge Census.
T. found a possible Breeze family on the 1851
Norfolk census, but I had no way
of making a connection between this family and "our" Breezes.
The next step was another request, this time on RootsChat.
B. found the family on the 1861
Cambridgeshire census. And there
were enough details on this to tie-in with the Norfolk 1851 census. When he
heard this B. had another look and found the family on the
1841 Norfolk census !
So now we have the following information for the Breeze family:
1841 Census: HO107/78/22 folio 4B Upwell, Norfolk
|
Name | | Relation | Age | (Born) | Born in County | Occupation |
Breeze | John | Head | 40 | (1801) | Y | Ag Lab |
Breeze | Maria | Wife | 24 | (1817) | Y | Ag Lab |
Breeze | John Jnr. | Son | 4 | (1837) | Y | |
Breeze | Elizabeth | Daughter | 1 | (1840) | Y | |
1851 Census: HO/107/1767 Folio: 538 Page: 22 Address: Town Street, Wisbech Census Place: Upwell Wisbech,
|
Name | | Relation | Age | (Born) | Birthplace | Occupation |
Breeze | Maria | Head | 34 | (1817) | Cambs. Upwell | |
Breeze | Elizabeth | Daughter | 10 | (1841) | Cambs. Upwell | |
Breeze | Anna Maria | Daughter | 8 | (1843) | Cambs. Upwell | |
Breeze | William | Son | 6 | (1845) | Cambs. Upwell | |
Breeze | John | Son | 4 | (1847) | Cambs. Upwell | |
1861 Census: Census Place: Cambridgeshire
|
Name | | Relation | Age | (Born) | Birthplace | Occupation |
Breeze | Maria | Head widow | 41 | (1820) | Upwell | Farm lab |
Breeze | Anna M | dau unm. | 18 | (1843) | Upwell | |
Breeze | William | Son | 16 | (1845) | Upwell | |
Breeze | John | Son | 14 | (1847) | Upwell | |
Breeze | Rose Alvina | Daughter | 2 | (1859) | Upwell | |
Smith | Elizabeth | Mother Widow | 97 | (1764) | Bealer Nfk | |
Rose Alvine = Rose Elvina ?? Hopefully, or I'll have to start all over again !
And did you see this ?
The mother of Maria Breese =
Elizabeth SMITH
Oh, No - Not a
Smith !!!
According to this web-site:
www.taliesin-arlein.net/names/search.php ,
there are 4,058 people called Breeze in Britain, and
652,563 Smiths !
10 years later ....
C. from RootsChat, discovered this interesting possibilty in the 1871 Norfolk Census:
1871 Census: RG10/1867 ED12, F36, Pg26, Sch121 Address: Tips End, Welney, Norfolk.
|
Name | | Relation | Age | (Born) | Birthplace | Occupation |
Brown | Thomas | Head | 60 | (1811) | Norwich | Ag lab |
Brown | Maria | Wife | 52 | (1819) | Upwell Isle | |
Brown | Rose | Daughter | 10 | (1861) | Upwell Isle | Scholar |
A story .... possibly true ??:
It's 10 years after 1861, all the other children, now between 24 and 28 have left home,
and Maria, who needs to support Rose, has re-married. Rose is referred to by her step-father's
name and when she leaves home, she then reverts to her baptismal name of Breeze.
(OK, so the ages are a couple of years off, but one or two years, even five years, is nothing
on a census, it still remains a possibility !
It is also suspicious, that Rose is listed as the "daughter" of Thomas Brown and not the
"Stepdaughter"
- Perhaps he really was her father ....
... which means that we would then have "Brown" in our tree, too !
('Brown' is the 5th. 'most common name' in Britain !, see web-site quoted above)
But then again, maybe Mr. Brown
wasn't Maria's father ! Have a look
at this
new information ...
Update: July 2006.
New data on
FreeBMD shows a marriage for a
Maria Breeze in Wisbeach in 1864 !
This is not conclusive, but there are three other people on that page,
and one of them is ..... a
Thomas Brown !!
And here, on the 1881 Census is a possible entry for Rose Elvina Breeze:
1881 Census: RG11 Piece 1695 / Folio 24 / Page Number: 2 Institution: Glan Dyfi House 33 Old Market Census Place: Cambridgeshire
|
Name | | Relation | Age | (Born) | Birthplace | Occupation |
Humphrey | Florence A. | Pupil U | 11 | (1870) | West Walton, Cambs. | Scholar |
Humphrey | Ethel M. | Pupil U | 10 | (1871) | West Walton, Cambs. | Scholar |
Atkins | Emma | Pupil U | 11 | (1870) | Whittlesea, Cambs. | Scholar |
Vawser | Emily | Pupil U | 12 | (1869) | March, Cambridge | Scholar |
Breeze | Rose Albina | Serv U | 25 | (1856) | Upwell, Cambridge, | Cook Domestic |
Dack | Jemima | Serv U | 23 | (1858) | Walpole St Peter, Nfk | Housemaid Domestic |
George | Annie | Serv U | 17 | (1864) | Wisbech, Cambridge | Under Housemaid Domestic |
Albina ? - This could be a mis-dated, mis-spelled Rose Elvina, as the details sound plausible, otherwise.
The "Institution" seems to be a school, and no Head of the Household is listed.
An Internet search for Glan Dyfi House finds a short architectural description at
www.british-history.ac.uk,
but does not tell us what is was used for.
I thought of posting a query on RootsChat, to see if anybody had an explanation,
when - in the middle of writing it up - I suddenly thought "previous household" !
(The LDS - Latter Day Saints website, with the 1881 Census,
www.familysearch.org,
has the possibility of looking at the "previous" and "next" households).
So I clicked it, and got a list of 16 pupils, 3 governesses and a visitor at the
same address, on page 1 of the census form !. I then clicked previous household
again and got a Household with one entry, at the same address, again on page 1 :
1881 Census: RG11 Piece 1695 / Folio 24 / Page Number: 1 Institution: Glan Dyfi House 33 Old Market Census Place: Cambridgeshire
|
Name | | Relation | Age | (Born) | Birthplace | Occupation |
Lewis | Eliza | Head | 47 | (1834) | Wisbech, Cambridge | Schoolmistress |
It looks as if one Household, Glan Dyfi House, was entered on two census pages,
and the transcriber (or LDS) made three seperate households out of the entries.
So in 1881 it looks like Rose Breeze was a domestic servant, a cook, in a school !
The couple of years difference in expected age and census age could be for a variety
of reasons:
. whoever filled in the census form didn't know any differently, or
. she had lied about her age.
It was apparently quite common for younger servants to
add a year or few to their age, in order to get more money, just as older servants
would subtract a few years, to stay employed longer.
From 1887 onwards, Rose is almost "fully" documented
- marriage certificate, 1891 and 1901 census (see
Coleman), but no death certificate).
So, as B. says:
Genealogy is ... a Breeze !